(18+) Would you ever date a post op trans sexual?

DerpHole said:
Right. I don't care if someone decides to be a tranny or who they choose to date or who chooses to date them, but to say that their genitals are not any different from the sex that they try to emulate is just stupid.

TallonKarrde23 said:


And we go back to my original point about not being secure with who they are. This is even worse though - a tranny who is INSECURE about what they CHOSE to become? Seriously? That's pathetic and I want nothing to do with anyone like that.

Hotwer said:

No, the problem is not not being secure with their new gender. It's being insecure of being disclaimed as a TRANSEXUAL. The problem is, there should be no gender as like this. In your conception, a male cannot, ever, become female, and vice-versa.

Red_Keys said:
Every time I see the word "choice" in this thread, I die a little inside.

Red_Keys said:
Every time I see the word "choice" in this thread, I die a little inside.

TallonKarrde23 said:
I said choice in regards to POST-OP - which is what this thread IS VERY SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSING. Having SURGERY IS A CHOICE.

Mogu-sama said:
I have not met one single transsexual who wanted to be a transsexual

Not one

And having worked as an activist before, that isn't idle speculation

Mogu-sama said:
I have not met one single transsexual who wanted to be a transsexual, no one chooses to be a transsexual, just like no one chooses to be gay. That would quite literally be one of the most retarded decisions someone could possibly make in their entire existence...s

And having worked as an activist before, that isn't idle speculation

Mogu-sama said:
I have not met one single transsexual who wanted to be a transsexual

Not one

And having worked as an activist before, that isn't idle speculation

Mogu-sama said:
Just like you chose to be bi, amiright?Well, I suppose it is

But I feel that it's kind of unfair to penalize someone for not committing suicide (the other option for transsexuals). What's that philosophical term for a choice that is between doing something unpleasant to live, or not doing it and dying?

TallonKarrde23 said:


I edited this in late but;
Also, specifically what you said just no is that trannys should lie to make friends then reveal the truth so those people feel obligated to stay friends with them or else feel like bad people for it. Do YOU think that's fair - PURPOSEFULLY fooling people like that? And nobody else reply to this paragraph (well you can, but I'll ignore it) - this is very specific to the exact wordings he used, not what I'm saying or feel in general.

Mogu-sama said:
Just like you chose to be bi, amiright?Well, I suppose it is

But I feel that it's kind of unfair to penalize someone for not committing suicide (the other option for transsexuals)

Hotwer said:

Not telling everything about your very past is not lying. It's just getting to know someone before telling a big secret of yours. Transexuals don't have o need a big tatoo on their face written "I'm a Transexual". Just like someone with a different sexual decision don't need to do as well.

Jackrabb1t said:
Oh, I think there are other viable choices besides just "suicide" and "surgery" on the table here. Therapy, for one.

TallonKarrde23 said:
Yes, the only options for trannies are suicide and surgery. I hope you realize you just said anyone who is a tranny should kill themselves if they choose to remain in the skin they were born into.

Mogu-sama said:
Transsexual therapy is always done in preparation for surgery

There exists no other form of transsexual therapy

Unless you consider those Christian torture camps "therapy"

Kimono_Kitsune said:
Question, if there was a 100% perfect surgery where someone changes their sex in a manner as if they had their body rebuilt to perfectly match a body of the designed sex. (Not wanting to get in specifics on how to do so but maybe by cloning a body and transplanting the brain)
Would this change your position in the slightest?

TallonKarrde23 said:




IF BEING A TRANSEXUAL IS A 'BIG SECRET' THEN YOU ARE NOT SECURE IN WHO YOU ARE. IF YOU ARE NOT SECURE IN WHO YOU ARE, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DATING YOU.

This is not difficult to grasp.

Kimono_Kitsune said:
Question, if there was a 100% perfect surgery where someone changes their sex in a manner as if they had their body rebuilt to perfectly match a body of the designed sex. (Not wanting to get in specifics on how to do so but maybe by cloning a body and transplanting the brain)
Would this change your position in the slightest?

Jackrabb1t said:
I might be wrong, but I highly doubt people have transsexual issues without peripheral situational issues, substance issues, relationship issues, or psychological issues. And there is therapy out there for all of those.

TallonKarrde23 said:


To me it's still the original issue I posted. Making that massive of a change to who they are means they were not comfortable with who they were, and that bothers me no matter how they are now.

It's got nothing to do with the actual gender change and all to do with such a significant change of any kind having happened for that reason.

Mogu-sama said:
Indeed, transsexuals are often disowned, physically and emotionally abused by their peers (PTSD results often), resort to drug use to get away from that, have everyone they've ever known and loved now despising their very existence, the list kind of goes on

A clinic I volunteered at had a closet full of clothes we handed out to all the homeless kids

Jackrabb1t said:
I meant pre-op persons likely had these issues to bring them to the point of considering surgery in the first place.

LadyRenly said:


It's not necessarily that they "aren't comfortable" with who they are, it's that they truly believe they are of the wrong sex. A guy who wants to be a female isn't necessarily doing it because he feels like his manhood is inadequate, therefore he is female.

Jackrabb1t said:
]Oh, I think there are other viable choices besides just "suicide" and "surgery" on the table here. Therapy, for one.

LadyRenly said:

I think you are right, Mogu. Who would honestly want that? By coming out as trans, you are condemning yourself to a harder life, one of judgment and lots of work. It's not really that easy to come out because it deals with a fundamental aspect of who you are. I bet most wish they could have just been born as whatever and just be able to live their life like CIS people

Jackrabb1t said:
It wouldn't change my mind. Some lines that should not be crossed and all that. And 100% perfect surgery doesn't deal with the mental issues on the table here.

Mogu-sama said:
External issues would not drive someone to genital reconstruction surgery or anything else transsexual related

It just doesn't make sense, getting sad has never made me want to take testosterone, I was just sad

Mogu-sama said:
Indeed, transsexuals are often disowned, physically and emotionally abused by their peers (PTSD results often), resort to drug use to get away from that, have everyone they've ever known and loved now despising their very existence, the list kind of goes on

A clinic I volunteered at had a closet full of clothes we handed out to all the homeless kids (who ended up homeless because of their transsexualism), you get a lot of rape and prostitution as well (how people pay for surgery)

dankickyou said:

I take pity on transsexuals. The hand they've been dealt with is pretty rough. Probably the toughest in the whole gender/sexuality thingy. The flak they get is horrendous.

TallonKarrde23 said:


To me it's still the original issue I posted. Making that massive of a change to who they are means they were not comfortable with who they were, and that bothers me no matter how they are now.

It's got nothing to do with the actual gender change and all to do with such a significant change of any kind having happened for that reason.

Jackrabb1t said:
But you're not a transsexual, I presume? I would suggest that it is exactly these external issues and the identity/acceptance problems they engender that lead to considering the rather extreme option of a sex change.

dankickyou said:
Wow, thats harsh and you're from a 1st world country. Makes me wonder what transsexuals in 3rd World countries have to go through. T^T

dankickyou said:
Wow, thats harsh and you're from a 1st world country. Makes me wonder what transsexuals in 3rd World countries have to go through. T^T

DerpHole said:
People in 3rd world countries are too busy trying to survive to worry about what's between their legs.

TallonKarrde23 said:


The problem is treating these gender/sexuality issues as some of the toughest things in the world to live with is just wildly inaccurate and outright offensive. These people can still manage to work, make friends, have relationships, and so on. What about people with severe agoraphobia? What about people with acute social anxiety disorder? What about people with hardcore personality disorders like DID or schizophrenia? What about people born with physical disabilities or even physical or mental retardation?

"I should have been born a girl" or "I like men even though I'm a man" is nowhere near the level of "I cannot exist on any level in human society and can't even go outside of my house and there is no known method of fixing this and only a few options of trying to help that rarely have results in studies and have not worked for me" which is even worse because it's a situation the majority of the world does not know is a thing or believes is simply exaggeration.

All this stuff has massive SJW attention and tumblr shit backing these people - where are these types about those with far worse issues barring them from even living or doing basic human needs and wants from the complex to the most simple?

I'm off topic, but that shit annoys me.

TallonKarrde23 said:


The problem is treating these gender/sexuality issues as some of the toughest things in the world to live with is just wildly inaccurate and outright offensive. These people can still manage to work, make friends, have relationships, and so on. What about people with severe agoraphobia? What about people with acute social anxiety disorder? What about people with hardcore personality disorders like DID or schizophrenia? What about people born with physical disabilities or even physical or mental retardation?

"I should have been born a girl" or "I like men even though I'm a man" is nowhere near the level of "I cannot exist on any level in human society and can't even go outside of my house and there is no known method of fixing this and only a few options of trying to help that rarely have results in studies and have not worked for me" which is even worse because it's a situation the majority of the world does not know is a thing or believes is simply exaggeration.

All this stuff has massive SJW attention and tumblr shit backing these people - where are these types about those with far worse issues barring them from even living or doing basic human needs and wants as simple as taking a walk or getting a job or making a friend?

dankickyou said:

I take pity on transsexuals. The hand they've been dealt with is pretty rough. Probably the toughest in the whole gender/sexuality thingy. The flak they get is horrendous.

DerpHole said:


People in 3rd world countries are too busy trying to survive to worry about what's between their legs.

dankickyou said:




The idea that a problem shouldnt be treated seriously because there are worst problems around is retarded. Also, the world isnt just tumblr.

DerpHole said:


People in 3rd world countries are too busy trying to survive to worry about what's between their legs.

TallonKarrde23 said:

I used different wording at the beginning on purpose - because I was making a point not directly aimed at what you said. Hence "the problem is treating" not "the problem is you are treating" and so on. I'm not at all saying they should not be treated seriously either, I just don't see your pity elsewhere along with being here too - if you can feel so bad for people dealing with this shouldn't your feelings for those in worse situations be just unbearably sad? They aren't - not because you don't care, but because you probably don't even THINK about those issues existing.

Mogu-sama said:
Fair point, but I was trying to give an anecdote of how other mental health issues have never made me consider transsexualism

Could you give an example of what could lead someone that way?

dankickyou said:
The idea that a problem shouldnt be treated seriously because there are worst problems around is retarded.

Heredity said:
i agree. the whole 'if you think you got is bad, think about those kids in africa' routine is tiresome.

Jackrabb1t said:
As I'm not a transsexual and none are openly weighing in on this topic, I can only speculate really.

But these people are acting upon a "feeling" more specifically the feeling that they are not what they should be. Extreme guilt over a childhood trauma, parental abuse, substance abuse, social isolation/rejection. These could all be factors stimulating such a "feeling".

Mogu-sama said:
I think you're using a loaded term like that, or ISNA is

Depression is a "feeling" but people still jump off bridges, pain is a "feeling" but I still take an unhealthy amount of Advil because of it...not the best examples

I broke this down in another thread, but the way transsexualism is medically treated presumes it to be a physical condition (we treat it physically with surgery and medicine if possible), the same way we treat other physical conditions (casts for broken arms, albuterol for asthma, etc.). We do not treat transsexualism as a mental condition--we give no mind affecting drugs and have no long term therapies or mental strategies--, ADD, depression, bipolar, etc. do often use mind affecting drugs, long term therapies and mental strategies

One of the main reasons (or the only, depending on who you ask) that there even exists required transsexual psychotherapy is to displace blame from surgeons (most surgeries require approval from therapists and other doctors). It's really a flaw in the legal system that someone can sue a surgeon for a procedure they asked for and win, so now it's standard fair for a surgeon to demand therapist approval to displace blame in the event of a lawsuit ("The therapist said it was good! Not my fault!" etc.)

LadyRenly said:
Are they though, Jackrabb1t?

Jackrabb1t said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not discounting the power of feelings. I've done the whole bipolar thing. But there are causes and reasons for feelings. Feelings (in the case of the choice to change gender) are a symptom of other problems.

Jackrabb1t said:
Well, we non-transsexuals will never know until a transsexual tells us, I guess.

DerpHole said:
Having surgery is a choice unless they strap you to a gurney and sedate you against your will.

Mogu-sama said:
Indeed, living is a choice to make

Red_Keys said:
I'm against people who exercise to lose weight, and would never consider dating a fit person who was fat before.

If you're not happy with your body, you clearly aren't stable enough to be in a relationship.

Being fat isn't a choice, but exercising to lose weight is! Also, their feelings of discomfort and repulsion of their own body is something that they should just suck up and deal with. Or better yet just get rid of them. Like you know, just get rid of feelings and emotions. You see, psychology works like that.

Mogu-sama said:
I'm glad someone else feels the way I do, these damn "ex"-fat people (they're still fat on the inside, lying to themselves) should just shut up about themselves and stop tricking us wholesome naturally thin people, who don't need work to feel okay

I swear, they make me sick, it's just gross, I don't care what you look like now, the fact remains that you WERE fat, nothing will change that
I had fun writing that